tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276822662531299374.post7640117083932049017..comments2011-12-31T11:08:37.706-04:00Comments on Island Envoy: Continuity in Prayer and PraiseThomas Gullicksonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13640680485289909046noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276822662531299374.post-11364873835553432102011-03-25T23:50:01.483-04:002011-03-25T23:50:01.483-04:00When Pope John Paul II came to Trinidad,(January 1...When Pope John Paul II came to Trinidad,(January 1985) he commented on how the vast Congregation at the Stadium was able to move reverently from the lively Entrance Hymns into a respectful and prayerful beginning of the Mass and then again from the effervescent exchange of Peace into the quieter and prayerfully sung Lamb of God.<br />Fr. Harold Imamshah,<br />St. Joseph's<br />Colfax, LouisianaFather Haroldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16776860967482136539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276822662531299374.post-35854314369294664772011-03-19T10:13:20.770-04:002011-03-19T10:13:20.770-04:00This is a very interesting article! I think there ...This is a very interesting article! I think there is a lot of confusion in the Church right now (among both clergy and laity) about what the Liturgy really is and should be; which paradigm (pre- or post-reform) is closer to the intention of Christ. Honestly, I am not entirely sure sometimes... But I recently started celebrating Mass in the Extraordinary Form periodically, and in my opinion there clearly is, in practice at least, a rupture between the two forms. As a priest, I find celebrating Mass <i>ad orientem</i> less distracting and more prayerful. It's clearer that the priest and people are primarily addressing God. I think a lot of (well meaning) people do come to Mass expecting a feel-good prayer meeting more than an act of worship focused on God.Matthew Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02548601518875487972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276822662531299374.post-68725802087747903102011-03-18T20:59:51.757-04:002011-03-18T20:59:51.757-04:00Your Grace, this is an excellent post and the sugg...Your Grace, this is an excellent post and the suggestion re: EWTN is excellent. Let's hope they give it serious consideration. <br /><br />I prefer Mass ad orientem but I agree with Pachomius that it's not intrinsic to the Old Mass itself. Indeed Cardinal Ottaviani, the most reactionary man in the Roman Curia and associated with the famous 1969 Intervention sharply criticising the Novus Ordo Massae, celebrated Mass facing the people at the International Liturgical Congress in Lugano (1953), which a certain Cardinal Montini attended in persona Papae.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276822662531299374.post-9214294066713642662011-03-18T20:11:43.003-04:002011-03-18T20:11:43.003-04:00Regarding the EWTN Mass, it should be noted that t...Regarding the EWTN Mass, it should be noted that the former bishop of Birmingham in Alabama, David E. Foley, forbade the televised Masses to be celebrated ad orientem/apsidem. Prior to this decision, which I believe was in 2000, the daily Mass broadcast from the chapel of Our Lady of the Angels in Irondale was celebrated ad orientem/apsidem. <br /><br />See the official notice from the office of liturgy in Birmingham: http://www.ewtn.com/library/Media/TVNORMS.HTMA. T. Wallacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02816243030572765014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276822662531299374.post-46482299493843602562011-03-18T20:09:18.809-04:002011-03-18T20:09:18.809-04:00Domine,
I certainly didn't mean to disagree w...Domine,<br /><br />I certainly didn't mean to disagree with you on the importance of re-solemnising the Roman liturgy. We are told that the early Roman liturgy was considered very solemn and severe. <br /><br />Indeed, St Gregory the Great supposedly had the mosaics in one church in Ravenna painted over in black, as he thought them distracting for the congregation, and supposedly troped chants were banned for lacking solemnity.<br /><br />It seems to me that a large part of the problem is this lack of a sense of the solemn. Even in the Extraordinary Form, the adoption by the Church of the baroque seems to me to have harmed this sense of sobriety.<br /><br />I think the wider adoption and use of (unaccompanied) Gregorian Chant, as well as, as you say, stricter adherence to the rubrics, may well be an antidote to both problems..https://www.blogger.com/profile/04611694996611765479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276822662531299374.post-4738307394146275702011-03-18T17:59:30.343-04:002011-03-18T17:59:30.343-04:00Dear Pachomius,
Of course you are right, but the r...Dear Pachomius,<br />Of course you are right, but the rupture comes with the discursive and try as I will I can find no remedy or healing for that rupture except in strict adherence to rubrics and preparing the gifts and praying the Eucharistic Prayer facing together toward the Lord. Again, I cannot and will not advocate a repetition of the violence which brought us to the present state of affairs.Thomas Gullicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13640680485289909046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1276822662531299374.post-38286051071358394062011-03-18T17:48:57.505-04:002011-03-18T17:48:57.505-04:00Domine,
A small point, but one worth making, I th...Domine,<br /><br />A small point, but one worth making, I think: That is, the 1570 Missale Romanum conceives of the possibility of the celebrant facing versus populum, and allows for this (however briefly).<br /><br />Whether or not this is as a contingency for churches which face West I couldn't say, but it is there.<br /><br />Therefore it seems a little misjudged to claim (as so many do) that the mass ad orientem is a venerable tradition to be lauded, while the mass versus populum is rebarbative. Indeed, in some of the major churches in Rome, there is little choice for the celebrant: not only St Peter's itself, but St-Paul-Without-the-Walls and San Clemente all face West and necessitate the celebrant to say the Mass both ad orientem and versus populum.<br /><br />Of course, many churches now are not built with an East-West axis in mind, and so all of this is somewhat theoretical..https://www.blogger.com/profile/04611694996611765479noreply@blogger.com